Hello and welcome to Albion Calling; this week I have Shai Feraro, a doctoral student at Israel’s Tel Aviv University with me (check out his academia.edu profile). Feraro is a historian who is currently exploring the role of women in the British esoteric and Pagan subcultures from the late nineteenth to the late twentieth-century, and has also edited a recent issue of the Alternative Spirituality and Religion Review devoted to the alternative spiritualities of his home country. We discuss such issues as the place of Paganism in Israel, the impact of the academic boycott, and developments in the study of modern Paganism.
EDW: Your main area of
research has been in the field of Pagan studies, an interdisciplinary approach
to the academic study of contemporary Paganism. What was it that led you into
studying this particular subject? Do you have a personal background in the
Israeli Pagan movement or are you, like myself, an interested outsider?
SF:
My interest in Paganism, both in general and in Israel in particular, is that
of a sympathetic outsider. How did I come across it? Well, it is a
long-but-interesting story (I think), with several twists and turns: in the
latter half of 2008 I was finishing my Bachelor's Degree in History and Asian
Studies at the University of Haifa, and had made up my mind to start my
Graduate studies there. I needed an idea for an exciting MA thesis. During this
period I was playing a computer game called Return to Castle Wolfenstein,
in which you play an American operative who tries to stop the Nazis from
raising demons to their cause etc. It then suddenly hit me that this game, coupled
with movies such as Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark, were
merely echoes in popular culture of the very real fascination that some
important Nazi figures had for occult matters. I therefore decided to write a
thesis on this subject, which, as I soon learned, was covered very well in
books such as Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke’s The Occult Roots of Nazism.
Soon afterwards, however, I deserted the idea, because the prospect of devoting
at least two years to the study of the German language before even starting my
research into the relevant primary sources was too daunting for me. I then
decided to switch my fascination with the occult to an English-speaking country
- a move which allowed me to begin my research right away.
With that vague concept
in mind, I went to England in order to clear my head before the start of my MA
studies. While trekking in the Lake District, as part of the 192-mile Coast to
Coast Walk, I underwent a deep and moving experience as I was travelling past
the Helm Crag ridge and down to Grasmere village. A week and a half later,
while in London, I visited the British Museum. After leaving the Museum, I
decided to look for a nearby tube station, and walked via Museum Street, where
(surprise, surprise) I came across the famous Atlantis Bookshop, of which I had
no prior knowledge. I stepped inside, and browsed through the various books on
display. Before long I was exploring the shelves on ‘Wicca, Witchcraft &
Paganism’ and on ‘Women’s Spirituality’, excited as if I’ve found some
long-lost treasure. I bought a few books, and started writing my MA thesis on
the development of the American Feminist Spirituality Movement during the
1970s-1980s.
Half way through writing
my thesis I met the woman who would become my wife - Tom. We met through an
online dating site called JDate (that’s Jewish Date) after studying together in
the same University department (Asian Studies) for 3 years and not knowing each
other at all (I was in Chinese studies, she was in Japanese, two circles that
hardly intermixed in that department for some reason). And so it happened that
on our first date, while I was rambling on about my research into feminist
Witchcraft, I mentioned Starhawk. Tom immediately stopped me and asked “How do
you know Starhawk?” Shockingly I asked “wait... You know of Starhawk??? How?”. “I
have her books. I dabbled in Witchcraft when I was a teenager.” Later on, when
I decided to start researching - independently from my PhD - the Israeli Pagan
community, it was Tom who first introduced me to some of her friends from the
Witchcraft bookshop in which she worked as a teenager. I’m ever grateful to
Israeli Pagans for accepting me so wholeheartedly into their gatherings and
rituals, for opening up their hearts to me during interviews and unofficial
conversations, and for the deep and profound friendships I developed with some
of them. While my MA and PhD research deal with contemporary Paganism from an
historical angle, researching Israeli Paganism gave me the opportunity to
experience Paganism as a lived religion and social movement. This is something
I could never have experienced strictly as an historian.
EDW: You are currently
engaged in a PhD at Tel Aviv University. Could you tell us more about this
current doctoral research project and its findings?
SF:
My PhD dissertation deals with women’s involvement in British Magical and Pagan
groups, c. 1888 - c. 1988. I start by touching upon Helena Blavatsky, who -
unlike the Victorian Spiritualists - was considered a spiritual leader in her
own right instead of a mere vessel for the channeling of spirits. Then I move
on to Anna Kingsford and her Hermetic Society, followed by a discussion of the
Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn and the women who played important roles
within it. I then move on to Aleister Crowley’s writings during the Edwardian
and Inter-war periods, coupled with Dion Fortune’s 1930s novels, followed by
Gerald Gardner and the early Wiccans of the 1950s-1960s. As mentioned above, I
wrote my MA thesis on the effects of radical and cultural feminisms on the
formation and ideology of the American Feminist Spirituality movement during
the 1970s-1980s. I started my PhD in the hope of understanding how these
developments influenced British Wiccans and other Pagans during the same period.
Scholars of contemporary Paganism agree that Wiccan practices and ideology were
influenced by Second Wave feminism as a result of Wicca’s “emigration” to the
United States. The influence of radical and spiritual feminist ideas on
1970s–1980s British Paganism, however, is an under-researched area. A commonly
held view (to which Ronald Hutton’s chapter on “Uncle Sam and the Goddess” in
his The Triumph of the Moon [1999] is a notable exception) is that British
Wicca was not affected by feminist developments in the United States, and that
radical (and spiritual) feminism’s influence on the British Pagan scene during
this period was negligible. My dissertation will be the first to examine this
subject and focus on it from an historical perspective. The research shows that
contrary to prevailing views, contact and cross-fertilization between British
Wiccans and Goddess Feminists did exist in said period and contributed to the
shaping of contemporary British Paganism. I hope I managed to give a taste of
this recently when I presented a case study focusing on Goddess Feminist Monica
Sjöö in which I analyzed her role as a bridge between Radical and Spiritual
Feminism and British Wiccans during the 1970s-1980s.
EDW: Your research has
examined contemporary Paganism not only in Israel but also in the United States
and United Kingdom. What is it about the Israeli Pagan scene which
differentiates it from that elsewhere in the (Western) world?
SF:
I have found that while there are many similarities between Israeli and
overseas Pagans, Israeli Pagans cannot help but be shaped by the country's
unique politics of identity as the nation state of the Jewish people. While
Israeli Pagans long for the opportunity to come out of the so-called ‘broom
closet’, they constantly fear the perceived negative consequences of such an
exposure and see the bond between (Jewish) religion and the state in Israel as
a main factor in the intolerance and even persecution that they expect to
encounter from the government and from Ultra-Orthodox Jews. In Israel, one can
be recognized as either religious, secular or spiritual (meaning generic
New-Age with Judaic overtones, which can be termed Jew-Age), but there is no
room for Israeli Pagans to describe themselves as religious and at the same time
not Jewish. Ergo, an Israeli Pagan of Jewish descent that takes his/her
religion seriously and asserts her now non-Jewish religious identity simply has
no place in Israeli society’s religious discourse. Indeed, Marianna Ruah-Midbar
and Adam Klin Oron have noted recently that “Upon its arrival in Israel, the
New Age encounters a local characteristic substantially different from those
prevalent in other European societies, which are Christian in origin.” In
Israeli society, Jewish identity is considered to be a privileged one. In my
articles I try to understand what happens when Israelis of Jewish descent
choose to shed this privilege-laden identity in favor of one which is seen as
inferior (if not illegitimate) in the eyes of mainstream Israeli society.
One might expect that
Israel’s different climate to that of Northern and Western Europe (while in
Britain winter connotes with death, in the Middle East it is a time of
rejuvenation) and the availability of a local Canaanite pantheon to work with,
will push the majority of Israeli Pagans towards Canaanite Reconstructionism.
In reality, while some in the community are interested in Canaanite deities and
sometimes try to adapt the Wiccanate template to local climate and mythologies,
very few choose to commit to Canaanite Reconstructionism as their main
spiritual path. While some modern and contemporary Western European nations,
such as Britain, Ireland or Iceland have embraced their ‘Celtic’ or Nordic past
and utilized figures such as the Druids as focal points for the kindling of
patriotic sentiments, the situation in modern Israeli society is a mirrored
image. Israeli Jews – whether secular or religious – are not brought up to feel
any sort of kinship with the tribes and nations which inhabited historical Canaan.
On the contrary, the extinction of the Canaanites by the Israelites is
celebrated in Bible lessons administered in the country’s formal education
system as a triumph of Jewish monotheism over idolatry, witchcraft and
paganism. This is further illustrated in the fact that while a cultural and
ideological movement dubbed “Canaanism” by its detractors did climax during the
1940s in British Mandate Palestine, it was considered incompatible with
mainstream Zionism and declined after the founding of the state of Israel.
Following a recent visit to Israel, Ronald Hutton noted that “Israeli Pagans
are clearly at present in a double bind, whereby if they follow non-Israeli
traditions such as Wicca and Druidry, they are accused of importing alien
beliefs, while if they revive aspects of the ancient native religion, they are
accused of bringing back the ancient evil against which true religion
originally defined itself.”
EDW: Something that I
think is notable is that you are a male who is studying forms of feminist
spirituality; as far as I am aware, you are the first to do so within the field
of Pagan studies. That, no doubt, has both advantages and disadvantages. Do you
feel that this has impacted your research in any way?
SF:
Well, my research into the experiences of Israeli Pagan women in Israeli Women’s
Spirituality festivals and workshops was obviously shaped by my inability to
venture into festival and workshop ground as participant-observer. This is
something that I, of course, totally understand, and I support the need for ‘women-only’
spaces (this is not to suggest that my support is in any way needed or relevant
to the women active in these spaces). The real problem was that
participant-observer research into these venues by Israeli female academics
simply does not exist either. I therefore decided to write an exploratory
article, which will focus almost entirely on the interviews I carried out with
Israeli Pagan women, and which will serve at the same time as a call for female
Israeli scholars to carry out the studies needed in order to establish the
field in Israeli academia. However, I think that my position as a male might
have been a silver lining too, as some of my interviewees might have found it
easier to share their criticisms of the Israeli Women’s Spirituality scene with
a male than with a female researcher. Although normally people voice their
criticism only inside the group, a talk with an outsider (who - being a male -
could never take part in the movement himself) can sometimes allow a member to
talk about things she would never dare to share with her fellows.
Now, as an historian in
training I have found that being a male studying feminist spiritualities -
which is what I’ve been doing in my MA thesis (and to some degree in my PhD
dissertation) – isn’t necessarily problematic. Meaning, that as long as you try
to provide an historical analysis of feminist spirituality and its sources of
inspiration instead of presuming to write how one should ‘do’ feminist
spirituality, I don’t see a complication. Difficulties could still arise even
when conducting research into books and archives, though: in my research into
the Women’s Liberation Movement (WLM) in Britain (as part of my PhD work) there
was a specific archive that maintained a policy that some WLM magazines which
were published as ‘women only’ during the 1970s-1980s will remain sealed from
me. I of course respected their decision, but came to the conclusion that a
minimum historical distance already exists, and thereafter read these magazines
in a different archive which had no such restrictions policy.
There is at least one
other male researcher who dedicated his scholarly attention to Goddess
Spirituality. This is Paul Reid-Bowen, who wrote a PhD dissertation on Goddess
thealogy (supervised by Melissa Raphael and later published as Goddess as
Nature: Towards a Philosophical Thealogy by Ashgate). Writing about
thealogy can be a tricky business for a male scholar, and is loaded with
controversy. Reid-Bowen is of course aware of this. See his chapter “Reflexive
Transformations: Research Comments on Me(n), Feminist Philosophy and the
Thealogical Imagination” in Ursula King and Tina Beattie’s Gender, Religion
and Diversity: Cross-Cultural Perspectives (London: Continuum, 2005).
Writing from intellectual history and discourse analysis angles, I have been
spared facing the dilemmas Paul faces as a male thealogian.
EDW: Recently, you have
taken on the mantle of Special Editor for volume 5, issue 1 of the Alternative
Spirituality and Religion Review (ASRR), a peer-reviewed academic journal
devoted to new religious movements. This particular issue is devoted to
alternative spiritual movements in Israel, and contains both an introduction
and a research paper by yourself. How did this opportunity arise and what do
you hope will be the impact of this special issue?
SF:
I met James R. Lewis - editor of the ASRR - twice when he participated in the
yearly Israeli Conferences for the Study of Contemporary Religion and
Spirituality. My role as conference coordinator gave us the opportunity to chat
and I told Jim about my research on Israeli Pagans. This led me to submit an
article to the ASRR on the experiences of Israeli Pagan women at local women’s
spirituality festivals and workshops. Jim then said I should try and put
together a special issue on contemporary Israeli spirituality. I’m glad to have
been given this opportunity, learning the challenges and gains of the editing
process so early in the academic game. This issue is only the second of its
kind to have been published so far. Israel is home to a bustling scene of New
Age and alternative spiritualities, with only a fraction of these represented
in this special issue. Global New Age discourse is thus adapted in many cases
into an Israeli ‘Jew Age’ through the use of Jewish symbols and practices. This
‘Jew Age’ spirituality is a direct outcome of Israel’s unique and complicated
politics of identity as the nation state of the Jewish people. The articles in
this issue can therefore supply researchers with a glimpse into the ways in
which New Age and alternative spiritualities – produced in Western countries
with a predominantly Protestant or secular culture – transform and adapt
themselves in Israel.
EDW: Have you got any
other projects on the horizon that we should be keeping an eye out for?
SF:
I still have several more articles I wish to publish on the Israeli Pagan
community before trying to write a book on Israeli Pagans. These articles will
focus on the Mabon community festival (now held for the 4th year in a row), on
the emergence of Canaanite Reconstructionism among Israeli Pagans, on Israeli
Pagan pilgrims-tourists to Glastonbury and other Pagan sites in the UK, and on
findings from the Israeli Pagan Survey I initiated. This survey was modeled
almost in its entirety on Helen Berger’s Pagan Census Revisited, and Helen and
I are also working together on comparing the information from both of these
surveys. I also hope to research the Northern Traditions, and particularly the
adherents’ views on feminism and gender issues during the 1970s-1980s.
In my Post-doctoral
research, however, I’m going to focus on a totally different subject. For a
while now I felt torn between my wish to continue writing about Paganism in my
Post-Doc as well, and between my hopes for securing an academic post after
finishing the Postdoctoral project. I have thought long and hard about this,
and came to the conclusion that while I love this field of study and plan to
continue working on it for many years to come, my Post-Doc project itself must
involve a subject completely unrelated to Paganism or contemporary spirituality
in general. This will hopefully improve my relevancy when I apply for academic
posts in the future. I hope to focus on the influence of American feminist
writings and American expatriates living in Britain on the development of the
Women’s Liberation Movement in Britain during the late 1960s - late 1980s. This
will be done through archival research and oral history, while emphasizing the
plurality of the movement, its various strands and divisions. With any luck I’ll
be starting my post-doc in the UK during autumn 2015, and we’ll be able to find
the time to sit and talk shop over a pint (or several).
EDW: When notifying other
scholars of your recent ASRR issue over at the Academic Study of Magic list
serve, you faced calls from one anonymous figure who suggested that your
publications should be ignored as part of the wider academic boycott of Israel
that various activists have called for. I’d be interested in hearing your
personal take on it; as an Israeli academic have you felt that this boycott has
caused problems in interacting with the international academic community?
SF:
The incident you are referring to was the first time I experienced the implications
of the boycott movement on a very personal level. I had heard about it before,
of course, but never encountered any problem during the many conferences in
which I presented my papers during the last two years in places such as
Britain, the United States, Ireland and Sweden. Very few of the academics I met
during these conferences brought up the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in our
conversations, and for those who did - it was probably the first opportunity
for them to hear about it from the point of view of an Israeli who is not
Anti/Post-Zionist. I thought that posting information about ASRR’s Israel Issue
during the latest Gaza conflict might incur a negative reaction by someone, and
was therefore not surprised - only a little disappointed. Well, a little is an
understatement. I spent long months working on this special issue, and actually
felt hurt and outraged at the prospect of it being banned by my colleagues
around the world.
As I wrote in reaction to
the boycott call by that anonymous subscriber, I think the academic boycott of
Israel is truly misguided, assuming that its goal is to help bring peace to the
Middle East and aid in the foundation of a Palestinian state next to Israel.
You see, in Israel, us academics usually come from the left side of the
political map, and are one of the forces calling for peace and a two-state
solution, with an independent Palestine next to Israel. This is not to suggest
that there are no right-wing scholars in Israeli universities, because this is
obviously not the case, but still, the "academic=leftist" paradigm is
so fixated in the public mind here, that a certain right-wing group has
published a report which stated that (in their view) there is a significant gap
between the Israeli public’s views on nationality and Zionism and the
intellectual discourse promoted by Political Science departments in Israeli
universities. This group, which is active in university campuses here, also
maintains lists of Israeli academics that they deem to be ‘too leftist.’. It is so sad that while many in Israel’s
extreme right view us as ‘traitors,’ some of our brothers and sisters in the
academic profession abroad try to boycott us, thereby actually silencing a
major voice for change within Israel.
Furthermore, it seems
that these calls for academic boycott are highly selective. I don’t hear of
anyone calling for an academic boycott of Israel as a so-called “Apartheid
State” (a claim which is simply false) while at the same time calling for an
academic boycott against actual dictatorships such as Syria (its dictator,
President Assad, has massacred close to 200,000 of his own citizens during the
last two years), or countries like Saudi Arabia (where women are stoned to
death if it is suspected that they committed adultery) and Iran. A few days ago
I googled “academic boycott” and added Israel and China to the search. It turns
out that there are more than twice the web pages (572,000 to 228,000)
mentioning an academic boycott of Israel then those mentioning an academic
boycott of China. Something just doesn’t add up here. Well, it actually does:
obviously it is much easier signaling out a small country like Israel than rich
and/or huge countries such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and China, who control so
many assets in the UK and contribute large sums of money to academic
institutions there.
EDW: Where do you see the
future of research into Israeli Paganism heading in the coming decades?
Connected to this, what do you see as the future for the field of Pagan studies
more widely, both in Israel and across the world?
SF:
It is hard to say. My studies into Israeli Paganism were by no means the first.
An interesting and pioneering MA thesis was written by Rinat Korvet as early as
2008 on “Internet Usage Patterns among Israeli Neo-Pagan Believers.” She
presented her findings during the 1st Israeli Conference for the Study of
Contemporary Spirituality back in 2009, but later chose not to follow an
academic career as a researcher. My colleague, Orly Salinas Mizrahi, published
an MA thesis on “Processes of Identity Formation and Belief Alteration in
Israeli Pagans” in 2010, but subsequently felt that its contents were too
sensitive and might be used to ‘out’ - or even physically or financially hurt -
Israeli Pagans by local fundamentalists, and ordered her university library to
restrict all access to it. She is now in the final stages of working on a PhD
dissertation on seasonal and life-cycle ritual amongst Israeli Pagans, which
will be accessed freely by those interested in reading it. Orly however has no
interest in an academic career as well, and has written these works after
already retiring from a career in design.
This leaves me as the
only researcher of Israeli Pagans who is hell bent on making it up the academic
ladder (my colleague Hili Ratzon, a graduate student, is also writing on
Paganism, but mostly on overseas Pagans). I’ve been trying to work towards the
development and legitimization of the field in Israel to the best of my
abilities as a humble PhD student with no funds or academic political power at
my disposal. In addition to publishing articles on the subject, for the past
four years I’ve made sure to organize sessions on Contemporary Paganism as part
of the Israeli Conference for the Study of Contemporary Religion and
Spirituality. I hope these will help establish Pagan Studies as a legitimate
field among Israeli scholars and students of contemporary spirituality. So far
there are no established scholars here who take up the subject, but there has
been some activity on the grassroots level. In recent years I have been
approached by several students who wanted to write seminary papers on the
subject, and I hope some of them might decide one day to proceed to writing
theses and dissertations on Paganism in Israel and overseas. I’m focusing all
my energy in maximizing my (slim) chances of securing an academic post in a
local university. This will greatly enhance my ability to make Pagan studies
visible in Israeli academia.
Zooming out to a more
global view, I think that Pagan Studies is still in a very young and fragile
state. We need more young researchers with permanent academic posts, in order
to make up for the retirement of those who pioneered the field, which will
become more noticeable in the next decade. Keeping The Pomegranate
active, publishing books and anthologies and holding conferences and sessions
is important, as well as making the best of critiques of our fledgling academic
field. However there are some important areas in which we still fall behind -
such as the founding of academic departments and/or research centers, as well
as the forming of a learned society. When attending conferences and workshops
set up by the Association for the Study of Esotericism (ASE) in the United
States, and especially the European Society for the Study of Western
Esotericism (ESSWE) and its related networks in Israel and in other parts of
the world, I sometimes can’t help but wonder - what are we [as Pagan studies
scholars] missing? Perhaps we should have more chats with our Western
Esotericist ‘cousins’ and try to work out how to emulate their success in
recent years and ensure the growth and proliferation of Pagan Studies for the
years to come.
EDW: Thank you so much
Shai for what has been a fascinating insight into your work and the place of
Paganism in Israel. Best of luck with the future, and I look forward to the
prospect of you moving here to London!
Excellent interview, thanks for posting.
ReplyDeleteWhat an interesting blog!
ReplyDeleteShai, I’m glad Ethan asked an important question about the position of a male researcher studying feminist spirituality. As a feminist researcher, I have to point out that ‘writing from intellectual history and discourse analysis angles’ doesn’t spare you from the points of conflict Paul Reid-Bowen discusses in the chapter ‘Reflexive Transformations’, because these apply not just to male thealogians, but to men who engage with feminism.
To take feminism as an object of study through the lens of history, writing about feminist spirituality and women outside of an academic feminist context certainly raises the epistemic, ethical and political issues Reid-Bowen has written about, and requires far greater reflexivity – as feminism is a living, transformative politics to those of us identified with it, both within as well as outside the academy.
Thank you for your comment Kavita; I am glad that you find this blog to be of interest.
DeleteDear Kavita, I really appreciate you as a colleague and as a person, but I would have to respectfully disagree. It is not as if I'm trying to tell women what the Goddess is or how they should relate to her. I'm merely analyzing what Starhawk, Z Budapest etc. wrote about it, and the ways in which their ideology was influenced by certain radical and cultural feminists. I fail to see how my being a man would compromise the outcome of such a research.
DeleteIn my mind I see no difference between a claim that a man cannot/should not undertaker this specific research and a claim that a Christian scholar should refrain from studying Judaism, that a British scholar cannot study the history of Israel (because it was once ruled under a British Mandate), or that a secular researcher (that's me) should not study Modern Pagans. These religions/movements are also "living, [and ] transformative...to those of us identified with it, both within as well as outside the academy". Should Pagan Studies be left solely to scholars who are themselves Pagan? I also, for instance, fail to see why we need to require a historian of - say - Judaism to include a reflexive note of his/her own religious background. Nor should a male historian be ethically questioned for writing a history of feminism or feminist spirituality.
Mind you, I am not saying I am writing 'feminist history'. I'm writing a certain history ***of*** feminism. There are many types of feminisms, and a myriad of feminist views. Therefore of course some (or maybe even many) feminists might find this unethical or even dangerous, but so far I have also met many women and/or feminist scholars who saw no problem with my being a man engaging in the study of (spiritual) feminist issues. They actually saw it as a refreshing turn of events. These include two female feminist historians working in the top two universities in Britain who agreed to mentor my Postdoctoral study of certain aspects of the history of the British WLM during the 1960s-1980s.
I think scholars should engage in whatever research they find interesting and intriguing, instead of driving themselves crazy with questions such as "Am I too male/white/heterosexual/middle-class/secular/Christian/whatever to research the history of what I found so interesting?". I'm open to criticism from feminist and non-feminist scholars alike when it is relevant to the actual scholarly work I'm performing (such as the materials I'm using, how I use them, or the interpretations and conclusions I arrive at), but not on whether I should be 'allowed' to undertaker such research in the first place as a man. It may be politically-incorrect in the mind of some people, but this is the way I see it.
Shai, I *am* making a feminist criticism relevant to your scholarly work and your approach to it. Nowhere have I said that anyone is ‘not allowed’ to research an area of interest to them based on identity alone. This is a straw argument which misconstrues my comment, and indeed the very significance of reflexivity. I am drawing attention to your claim in the interview above, that you consider yourself to ‘have been spared’ the reflexive concerns Paul Reid-Bowen discusses in his chapter ‘Reflexive Transformations’ as a male researcher engaging with feminist discourses, implying that these reflexive concerns don’t apply to you. This is something I thoroughly disagree with: I think they ought to, and do.
ReplyDeleteIt is not okay to take my last statement on feminism being a ‘living, transformative politics both within and outside the academy’, decontextualise it, remove the word ‘politics’ (!) and then apply it to those areas of study you mentioned, as if they are discrete categories from which feminism can be separated out by itself. There are of course researchers who study these things and are not committed to feminism, however as a feminist researcher, I utterly contest the claim that it is acceptable to study feminism, in particular, unreflexively.
What I am saying here is that feminism is an often exhausting, constant struggle against inequality, a lived experience that is life-affirming and very necessary amid oppressive social structures – rather than a mere area of interest or intellectual exercise or career strategy that can ever be devoid of politics to those who have a direct stake in it. This does apply within the academic world as well. I think to engage with feminism, or any discourse of critical politics without reflexivity does real harm to the project of transformation and to the struggle against inequalities, which does extend into every area of life – even, by the way, into this conversation. In this vein I also find your distinction between ‘feminist history’ and ‘a certain history of feminism’ to be questionable, possibly even unethical.
That being said, thanks for explaining to me that there are many types of feminisms. Years of dealing with feminist issues, exploring what it means to identify as a feminist, and a degree in Gender Studies hadn’t quite alerted me to this. I don’t see how finding mentorship from ‘two female feminist historians working in the two top universities in Britain’ in itself justifies your approach in any way.
I’m going to leave it there, as I think I’ve stated my piece. Your own ‘politically incorrect’ positioning is quite clear from your comment above.
Dear Kavita,
DeleteI disagree with what you said above because I feel these concerns apply to the field of the social sciences and perhaps also religious studies, but not to those who practice primarily as historians. A historian deals with written records and archival materials, and unlike an anthropological research, the historian's colleagues can check her/his precise sources in order to make sure that she/he presented and interpreted them rightly. Therefore, I feel that reflexivity is just not relevant to my profession, even when writing about feminist women. If my future conclusions would seem untrue or unrepresentative to any feminist historian, she could simply look at the sources herself and criticize my conclusions if needed in a scholarly review or an academic paper.
I also am disappointed by what I perceive as your attempt to take the moral high ground ("...thanks for explaining to me...") with me, because I'm sure you were aware that as someone who has met you before and know a bit about you, your research and your background in feminism I was not in any way trying to 'teach' you what feminism is. Come on, Kavita... We met at conferences; I head you presentations and you heard mine; we talked over refreshments during the breaks: Do you really think that I believed you needed me to explain to ***you*** that the feminist movement is a complex one? :-( However just because i am a man does not mean that I must never mention anything about feminism in your presence. Furthermore, This is not a private discussion just between the two of us. It is held on public domain and the comments can be seen be many individuals who might not know feminism to such a degree of understanding that they would know that there are many feminists strands. In fact most people would sadly see the feminist movement as a solid block - "The Feminists". They therefore would not understand that it is obvious that a feminist writing from a postcolonial stance, like you, (or others who might subscribe to - say - separatism, or old revolutionary feminists from the 1980s) will feel as you feel, while a liberal feminist, for instance, would feel differently about my research. I therefore felt it is perfectly legitimate for me to clarify this. Suggesting that any male reference to feminism in the company of a woman is "Mansplaining" is just sad, and I have seen it used several times as a comfortable means of silencing. I did not expect to see that coming from you, though :-(
As neither a feminist scholar nor a scholar of feminism(s), I am not qualified to weigh in on those elements of this particular debate/discussion, particularly as I am unfamiliar with Reid-Bowen's work. However, I would like to point to a chapter authored by the historian Ronald Hutton, titled "Living with Witchcraft", which is found in his book "Witches, Druids and King Arthur" (Hambledon and London, 2003). In it, he does discuss the questions of reactivity and reflexivity which have emerged from his own studies into the history of contemporary Paganism(s); it may be of interest to you Shai, if you are not already aware of it. On a personal level, as someone trained in archaeology but actively involved in the history of religions and Pagan studies, I do value reflexivity and would encourage any and every scholar to engage with it. After all, as post-modernism has made clear, our own backgrounds, identities, and experiences inevitably colour our interpretations of the world, and (as I understand it) reflexivity is all about making those clear to the reader.
DeleteI actually, post-modernism as never been my cup of tea... Consider me a post post-modernist ;-) But on a more serious note, the chapter you refer to is indeed a great read (also available as a chapter in the Researching Paganism anthology) which I highly recommend. However, it was also Ronald's ***choice***, not his duty as an historian which if not included would instill a mark of 'unethical researcher' upon him. His decision not to include the reflexive part in Triumph of the Moon likewise did not make the book any less credible or ethical, in my view. It is not that I refuse to consider the issue - I simply object to it being considered mandatory in my field. Some reflexive bits will be included in the preface for my dissertation for sure, such as the fact that as a non-initiate I was barred from certain archives (such as parts of the PF archive and the Doreen Valiente papers), therefore limiting my ability to conduct the best research I could on the subject, but the preface definitely won't included a discussion of whether or not I had a right to research Goddess Feminists, WLM literature etc. as a man in the first place, and how I came to terms with such a 'dilema' - because for me it is not an issue, period. My being a man is simply not pertinent or relevant to the actual questions I'll be asking and the ways to answer them. If my intended research was a critique of the WLM or Goddess movement, then I obviously must have shared with my readers the fact that I am a male, and the level of my sympathies with/influence by feminism(s), but this is simply not what I intend to to in my research.
DeleteShai, again, I haven't said or implied that you 'must never mention anything about feminism in my presence'. I am well aware that this is a public discussion, that we have met at conferences and work on very similar areas. Reflexively speaking, my response to your lack of reflexivity is shaped by my perceptions. I would like to reiterate everything I said in my comments above.
ReplyDeleteFrom what I've read of Ronald Hutton's work so far, he does include notes on his reflexive process, and I very much agree as you say, Ethan, that 'any and every scholar' ought to be encouraged to engage with it, even historians.